<![CDATA[North america's no. 1 muzzleloading website! - HMLhunter-Blog]]>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 06:19:39 -0700Weebly<![CDATA[New Modern Muzzleloading Standards]]>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:02:58 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/new-modern-muzzleloading-standards
    That powder you can see in the above photo is actually the last major innovation to come along for improving the performance of today's modern in-line ignition rifles - and that change came almost ten years ago.  Well, the modern side of muzzleloading is now poised for another major change ... or two.  

    Are you ready?  Actually, if you have been loading and shooting with the Crush Rib Sabot from Harvester Muzzleloading ... you could already be using what is likely the sabot design that's most apt to become the new industry standard.  Still, thanks to the increased velocities produced by Blackhorn 209, and to some extent by loose-grain Triple Seven, the stage is set for a major move to loading and shooting longer and smaller diameter bullets ... with significantly higher ballistic coefficients - for a flatter trajectory and more retained velocity and energy to and beyond 200 yards.

    Here's a link to a look at what could lie ahead, in the not so distant future, thanks to the efficiency of modern black powder substitutes like Blackhorn 209 ... and to the versatility of the Crush Rib Sabot. -  Toby Bridges  

                     What Are Your Thoughts On All Of This?

<![CDATA[Shooting .40 Caliber Bullets Out Of A .50 Bore]]>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:00:00 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/shooting-40-caliber-bullets-out-of-a-50-bore
    There are not a lot of .50 caliber in-line rifle shooters ... or those who hunt with a .50 caliber in-line rifle ... who have tried loading and shooting a saboted .40 caliber (.400" diameter) bullet out of a rifle with a .500" bore.  However, for those who have at least thought about it ... Harvester Muzzleloading does include in its sabot lineup that dark blue .50x.40 Crush Rib Sabot shown on the right side of the above photo.

    Now, surely those of you who HAVE NOT are likely asking yourself ... "With so many saboted .451" or .430" diameter bullets now available for the modern .50 caliber front-loading rifles ... why would anyone really want to try getting such a combination to shoot with a high degree of accuracy?"   

    Actually, there are a couple of reasons why some people do ... or at least seek to.  One is that it's possible to load and shoot a significantly lighter 150 to 200 grain bullet ... at a significantly higher velocity ... with much milder recoil.  Then, another reason is that it is now possible to load ... shoot ... and hunt with a sleek and smaller diameter bullet which has a much higher ballistic coefficient (b.c.) ... for a flatter shooting hunting bullet that retains velocity and energy downrange  much better than a ,451" diameter bullet of the same weight.

    That bullet shown directly above is the .400" diameter .287 b.c. all-copper MAXIMUS spitzer hollow-point produced by Cutting Edge Bullets.  The company currently only offers the bullet pre-packaged with the light blue Crush Rib Sabot shown on the left in the above photo.  This is a .45x.40 sabot for a fast twist bore .45 caliber in-line rifle.  
    Cutting Edge Bullet actually offers this .400" bullet in two weights - in 165-grains and the 240-grain version.  The shorter and lighter of the two bullets (on the left side of the photo at right) will shoot well out of 1-in-28 to 1-in-32 bores ... while the longer and heavier MAXIMUS bullet (on the right side of the same photo) requires at least a 1-in-24 twist bore in order to properly stabilize the 1.122" long bullet. Both weights are shown here with the Harvester Muzzleloading .50x.40 Crush Rib Sabot.    
    But...what is that black thing-a-ma-jiggie the sabot is sitting on?  It's called a "Magnum Sub Base" (produced by Muzzleload Magnum Products) - and it protects the base from excessive pressures produced by heavy powder charges. When using the Harvester Muzzleloading .50x.40 sabot ... especially when shooting an all-copper .400" diameter bullet ... you'll very likely find it a must.     
    Those heavy sleeves which take up the difference between the .400" diameter bullet and .500" bore are extremely stiff ... and so are the powder charges required to force them to peel out and away from the bullet in order to catch air and fall back and away from the bullet.  Even though the .50x.40 sabot shown above left was propelled down a .50 caliber bore by a 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 ... note that the base cup practically looks as if the sabot had not even been shot ... thanks to the use of a sub base.  On the other hand, without a sub base between the sabot and powder charge ... when shooting all-copper bullets the pressures of a 110- or 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 or FFFg Triple Seven will very typically blow the bottom right out of these sabots - as shown above right. 
    Should shooting that high b.c. .40 caliber 240-grain bullet now seem like something you just might want to try with your .50 caliber in-line ... there is one major problem most of you are sure to run into.  That is the rate of rifling twist most likely found in your rifle. Unless it is the Pedersoli .50 caliber No. 209 primer ignition Rolling Block Muzzleloader shown at left ... or one of the discontinued Savage Model 10ML II rifles ... your rifle very likely has a 1-in-28 twist. The two rifles mentioned feature a 1-in-24 twist.

  The 1-in-28 twist simply will not adequately stabilize the longer 240-grain .400" MAXIMUS bullet.  That hundred yard group shown here, shot with the 1-in-24 twist Pedersoli rifle, measures .667" center-to-center.  The powder charge was 120-grains of Blackhorn 209, and the Harvester .50x.40 CRS was loaded over a Magnum Sub Base for each shot.   Velocity of the load was 2,137 f.p.s. (with 2,434 f.p.e.).

     Come mid May, we look to spend a couple of mornings shooting several different .40 caliber bullets out of several different .50 caliber rifles - using the Harvester Muzzleloading .50x.40 sabot featured in this post.  Out of the 1-in-28 twist rifles, we'll stick with bullets of 200-grains and lighter.  We should have a detailed report on the NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING website before the end of that month.

    If you've played around with shooting .400" diameter bullets out of your .50 caliber rifle, or rifles, please use the comment section to share your experience ... and the performance you achieved. Likewise, if you've taken game with these smaller diameter bullets, please share how well they performed. - ​Toby Bridges  

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<![CDATA[A New Norm In Saboted Bullets For .50 Rifles?]]>Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:00:00 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/a-new-norm-in-saboted-bullets-for-50-rifles
     Take a very good look at the bullets above.  They are the same exact bullet ... or ... they at least started out as the very same bullet - the Hornady 300-grain .430" diameter XTP (Xtreme Terminal Performance) bullet for loading into .44 handgun cartridges.  To install that 3-grain polymer spire-point tip in the two bullets on the right hand side of the photo required the careful removal of 9 grains of lead from the hollow-point nose ... and a very small drop of "Super Glue". The finished bullet weighed in at 294-grains.

     So...other than giving the bullet a somewhat sleeker look and profile ... what does the addition of that tip do for performance?  
   The hollow-pointed 300-grain .44 Hornady XTP (left) is shown here with the 300-grain Harvester Muzzleloading .451" diameter Scorpion PT Gold (which has easily been our favorite muzzleloader testing and hunting bullet here at NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING). Also, take note that if the polymer tip was removed from the Harvester Muzzleloading spire point, the resulting "hollow-point" would be about .060" shorter than the smaller diameter Hornady bullet of the same weight.  As a hollow-point, the .44 XTP has a .245 b.c. - as a poly-tipped spire point, the Scorpion PT Gold has a b.c. of .250.  Note, the Harvester Muzzleloading .451" bullet is also offered as the hollow-pointed Scorpion bullet, and in the 300-grain weight has a b.c. of about .190.

    Yes, the addition of that 3-grain sharp polymer tip does that  much for the bullet.  So, what if the same polymer tip was added to the already aerodynamic smaller diameter .430" Hornady 300-grain bullet?  From my own test shooting, I've determined that the b.c. would jump to at least .285 or .290 - maybe even a bit higher.  Shot with a 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 (out of a 28-inch barrel), a saboted non-tipped .245 b.c. 300-grain XTP leaves the muzzle at around 2,020 f.p.s. - and bullet drop from 100 to 200 yards averages right at 11 inches.  With the polymer tip installed, shooting the same charge at basically the same muzzle velocity, bullet drop from 100- to 200-yards is cut to around 8.5 inches.

     Even more significant is the retained velocity and energy of the polymer tipped .430" bullet out at 200 yards.  As a hollow-point, the bullet would retain just over 1,400 f.p.s., and hit with a tad over 1,300 foot-pounds.  Thanks to the added aerodynamics of the polymer tip, the spire-pointed version of this same bullet would retain just over 1,500 f.p.s. at 200 yards, and hit a big ol' whitetail buck or bull elk with right at 1,500 foot-pounds of knockdown power.

    Harvester Muzzleloading could easily accomplish the same thing if they were to introduce a .430" diameter 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold!    

     When saboted bullets were first introduced during the mid 1980's...there wasn't even a rifle available with the proper rate of rifling twist to shoot them!  When Knight got around to going with the 1-in-28 twist in late 1987, that's when shooters really began to realize the potential of the sabot system ... but even then they quickly favored loading and shooting saboted .45 bullet over saboted .44 bullets.  The problem back then was that the hottest black powder substitute available (and only such powder available) was Pyrodex ... and the powder just could not produce the velocity to force the heavier sleeves of the .50x.44 sabots to open up and get away from the bullet.  Even though the .429"/.430" bullets were clearly more aerodynamic , and could shoot flatter, the combination of the thinner sleeved .50x.45 sabots and slightly larger diameter .45 bullets nearly always shot with far superior accuracy.

     A .50 inline rifle of the late 1980's and early 1990's, loaded with a 100-grain charge of Pyrodex "RS" typically produced a muzzle velocity with a saboted 300-grain bullet of around 1,600 f.p.s. And at that velocity, the extremely heavy sleeves of the .50x.44 sabots just would not open adequately.  

     We no longer have that problem ... thanks to Blackhorn 209 and FFFg Triple Seven.

    Compare the two Harvester Muzzleloading green .50x.44 Crush Rib Sabots in the two photos directly above.  The sabot on the left was shot with the new Cutting Edge Bullets 250-grain MAXIMUS .430" bullet and a 100-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 - out of a 28-inch barreled Traditions VORTEK rifle.  The muzzle velocity was right at 1,940 f.p.s. - and even at that velocity the sleeves of a recovered sabot were only slightly opened.  Going to a heftier 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 pushed velocity out of the 28-inch barrel to around 2,090 f.p.s. - and the recovered sabots showed considerably more opening of the heavy sleeves - shown in the photo above right.
    The introduction of the CNC machined all-copper MAXIMUS bullets by Cutting Edge Bullets has been one new fresh breath when it comes to "performance muzzleloading" development.  I was excited to see two things with the new bullets they are offering for today's modern .50 caliber in-line rifles.  One was their use of the Crush Rib Sabots produced by Harvester Muzzleloading - which I consider the very best sabot available today.  I was also excited to see that the company's new MAXIMUS bullets for the .50 caliber rifles to be of .430" diameter.  One is a real lightweight of just 165-grains ... the other is the 250-grain bullet shown at left. 

      This is a 1.062" long bullet, which has shot great for me out of several different 1-in-28 twsit .50 caliber in-line rifles - shooting charges of 120- and 130-grains of Blackhorn 209 or FFFg Triple Seven.  With the heftier charge of those two powders, muzzle velocity out of a 28-inch barrel tops 2,100 f.p.s.  Thanks to this bullet's .311 b.c. - it shoots very flat for a .50 caliber muzzleloader bullet to 200 yards...and retains velocity and energy well.

     Although we did enjoy nearly a week of sunny and calm days this month...it's now snowing again.  As soon as the weather begins to break, and temperatures warm just a bit to allow staying out on the range for 4 or so hours ... NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING will get in more trajectory testing with the 250-grain MAXIMUS bullets ... and we'll put together more of our home-brewed 300-grain "XTP PT Gold" poly-tipped spire points for some of that shooting to 200 yards - and farther - as well.  

     If you've shot saboted .44 bullets, of any make or design, with hefty charges of Blackorn 209 or FFFg Triple Seven ... how about commenting below and share what you've experienced. - Toby Bridges   

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<![CDATA[´╗┐Specialty sabots...]]>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:34:26 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/specialty-sabots
     So...What in the heck are "Specialty Sabots"?

     First, let's take a look at what most of us today consider "Standard Sabots".  See that black Harvester Muzzleloading .50x.45 Crush Rib Sabot above left?  That sabot, and Harvester Muzzleloading's other .50x.45 sabots, including the red .50x.45 Crush Rib Sabot sabot shown above right, and similar sabots produced by Muzzleload Magnum Products, are easily the most widely used sabots today.  The majority of the bullets being shot today out of fast-twist .50 caliber in-line rifles are of .451" or .452" diameter, and the variety of different 50x.45 sabots available allow today's performance minded muzzleloading hunters to load and shoot a tremendous number of those ".45" caliber bullets - including the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold .451" diameter bullet shown here.  (The red Crush Rib Sabot is just a tad larger in diameter, for those rifles with slightly larger .502" to .504" bores - or when a tighter sabot-bullet fit is needed to insure more spontaneous ignition.) 
       At one time, the .50x.44 sabots (typically green in color) were also considered "Standard Sabots" ...but tended to fall from grace due to the sleeves being so heavy that they were slow to open up and pull the sabot away from the bullet.  Accuracy tended to suffer.  The real problem was that we simply did not have the powders to give the velocity needed to force those sleeves, or petals, to open up quickly.  WE DO TODAY!  Hot charges of Blackhorn 209 or FFFg Triple Seven can easily get a .50x.44 sabot, like the HML Crush Rib Sabot shown here, and a sleek .429-430" diameter bullet, like the 250-grain Cutting Edge Bullets all-copper MAXIMUS bullet also shown here, out of the muzzle at more than 2,000 f.p.s. - with great accuracy.  There's now a very good chance that the .50x.44 saboted bullets just could become a new "Standard" for .50 caliber in-line rifle shooters.

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     It's kind of a stretch of the imagination to address a "Standard Sabot" for the .45 caliber in-line rifles, since so few modern minded muzzleloading hunters shoot and hunt with them.  Back in 1987, I had just three modern in-line ignition rifles - all Knight MK-85 rifles.  Two of them were in .50 caliber, the other was one of just three .45 models that Tony Knight had put together - just to see if they could produce the accuracy and game-taking punch needed for hunting game as large as deer.  The rifle I had was built with a 1-in-24 twist Lothar-Walther barrel.  At that time, there was just one sabot available for the .45 rifles - a .45x.357" sabot - for loading and shooting .357-.358" diameter .38/.357 Magnum handgun bullets.  Both I and my son took deer with that rifle, shooting 90 grains of Pyrodex "P" behind a saboted .357" diameter 158-grain Speer JHP bullet.  Velocity out of the 24-inch barrel was just a bit shy of 1,800 f.p.s., with around 1,269 f,p,e, at the muzzle.  That bullet has a .158 b.c., meaning the load was down in the 1,250 f.p.s. range at 100 yards, where it would retain only about 550 f.p.e.

     Today, the standard for .45 rifles tends to be shooting .400" diameter bullets, of 180 to 200 grains - using a .45x.40 sabot, like the light blue Harvester Muzzleloading sabot shown above left.  This bullet is the 240-grain .400" diameter all-copper MAXIMUS bullet from Cutting Edge Bullets ... which has a much more impressive .287 b.c.  This is the bullet which just might accomplish putting the "Super" into the loads (and accuracy) for the "Super .45" rifles.  Watch for more on shooting this bullet on the NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING website...as soon as close to 20 inches of snow disappears from our range. 

                               Other Less Common "Specialty" Sabots
     One sabot that is seldom written about, but which does seem to have tremendous potential with the .50 caliber rifles, is the light blue .50x.475 Harvester Muzzleloading sabot shown at right.  This is a "non-ribbed" sabot, with relatively thin sleeves/petals, which do readily fold back and away from the bullet. As uncommon as bullets of .475" diameter may seem, there's actually a fairly good selection of such bullets. The one shown in this photo is the big 375-grain .475" diameter all-copper bullet Knight Rifles developed (with Barnes Bullets) specifically for their .52 caliber rifle models back during the 2000's,

    I have gotten this bullet out of a .52 Knight DISC Extreme (using their purple .52x.475 sabot) at 1,919 f.p.s. with a 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 (using the standard DISC Extreme breech plug). At that velocity, the big 375-grain spitzer hollow-point generates 3,064 f.p.e. - and at 200 yards plows home with around 1,750 foot-pounds of wallop ... thanks to a lengthy bullet with a b.c. of around .330 (give or take .010).  But, it is exactly that length which makes the bullet incompatible with the vast majority of .50 caliber in-line rifles now on the market.  You see, the widely used 1-in-28 rifling twist just is not snappy enough to stabilize this 1.210" long all-copper bullet.

     Knight's .52 rifles features a 1-in-26 twist...and it would take that same twist, or a 1-in-24 twist, for a .50 caliber rifle to shoot a bullet of this length.  The only commercially built .50 caliber in-line I know of that's now available with a 1-in-24 twist bore is the .50 caliber Rolling Block model offered by Davide Pedersoli & Co. - available through the Italian Firearms Group, of Amarillo, TX.  (Use the link at the bottom of this post to visit their website.)

    That darker blue sabot in the photo at left, shown next to the 240-grain .40 caliber MAXIMUS bullet and the Harvester Muzzleloading .45x40 Crush Rib Sabot, is the same company's .50x.40 Crush Rib Sabot.  In fact, the sabot is shown here with the very same high b.c. 240-grain MAXIMUS bullet.  And it is the the ability to shoot a smaller diameter (high b.c.) bullet which has made this ,59 caliber sabot a bit more popular than the .50x.475 sabot.

   The Cutting Edge Bullets packaging for this bullet recommends shooting this 1.117" long all-copper .400" diameter bullet out of a bore with a "1:24 TWIST RATE OR FASTER".  One of the test sessions we have planned for this spring, or in late winter if the snow cover thins, is to see if we can get this bullet, using hefty charges of Blackhorn 209 and FFFg Triple Seven for more velocity, to shoot with accuracy out of the 1-in-28 twist .50 caliber bores found in our T/C Strike ... Traditions VORTEK StrikerFire LDR ... CVA Accura V2 LR ... and Cooper Model 22 ML test rifles.  All have shot great with the shorter and lighter saboted 165-grain .400" MAXIMUS bullet ... which we have gotten out of the longer barrels at close to 2,200 f.,p.s.!

     One problem a few shooters have experienced with the heavy-sleeved .50x.40 sabot is getting those sleeves to open fast enough to not affect the down range flight of a .40 caliber bullet.  Again, velocity is the key.  The thickness of the sleeves will continue to be a problem as long as we continue to turn to ever smaller bullet diameters.  This is especially true with the .50 caliber rifles.  

​     Is it time for a .48 caliber???

     There have been attempts to produce other "Specialty Sabots", even a .58x.45 sabot ... but again, the thicker the sabot sleeves ... the less likelihood of achieving acceptable accuracy.  If the rifle makers were willing to build rifles with a more appropriate bore size ... more appropriate rate of rifling twist ... and sabot makers were willing to produce sabots for NEW longer and higher b.c. bullets ... in your mind, what would be the ideal combination of bore size ... rifling twist ... and bullet diameter, length and weight? Don't be afraid to think outside of the box ... the same "Standard" box that now confines modern in-line rifle performance. - Toby Bridges

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<![CDATA[The Saber-Tooth Belted Bullet Puts Game Down!]]>Fri, 02 Sep 2016 17:05:37 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/the-saber-tooth-belted-bullet-puts-game-down

            This Bullet Is No Beauty Queen ... But It Hits Like A Mack Truck!!! 

     In a world of sleek and aerodynamically shaped bullets, the Harvester Muzzleloading belted Saber-Tooth bullet stands out like a sore thumb.  But then, this bullet was never ever designed to be, or promoted as, a long-range 200+ yard bullet.  To be perfectly honest, this bullet is more at home where shots rarely exceed 100 yards.  Shown directly above, with a .490" pure lead round ball, for a .50 caliber rifle, are the 270-grain Saber-Tooth (to the left of the ball) and the 300-grain Saber-Tooth (to the right of the ball).   
  Note that the lighter 270-grain bullet really isn't that much longer than the diameter of the ball.  In fact, it measures just .635" in length.  And that short length got me to thinking ... which can be a dangerous thing at times!

    My very first .50 caliber muzzleloader, which I acquired in 1972, very shortly after the rifle had been introduced, was a percussion Thompson/Center Hawken. The rifle had been promoted to shoot BOTH a patched round ball and a somewhat squat 370-grain conical, dubbed the "Maxi-Ball", with good accuracy.  Well, my rifle shot well with a patched 177-grain .490" diameter ball ... as long as I loaded with 80 or 90 rains of black powder. With the Maxi-Ball, which was .947" in length, I did good to keep the "bullet" inside of 6 inches at 50 yards.

     The problem was that the 1-in-48 rifling twist of the rifle just did not impart enough spin on the short elongated bullet to properly stabilize it in flight.     

     I've owned a number of 1-in-48 twist .50 caliber rifles over the years, and all tended to shoot a patched round ball far more accurately than a conical bullet.  So, when the above .50 caliber rifle arrived here at NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING earlier this year, I was pretty much sure that ALL I would be shooting out of it would be a patched round ball.  And this Traditions Hawken Woodsman model did indeed shoot very well with patched round balls.  Our first experiences with this rifle can be found at - http://www.namlhunt.com/mlrifle20.html 

     Over the past 10 or 12 years, I have shot quite a few of the Saber-Tooth bullets...but mostly out of modern in-line rifle models - with a faster 1-in-24 to 1-in-28 rifling twist.  I actually made the 300-gain bullet one of my "Special Purpose" bullets ... and relied on these bullets several times where I wanted to insure that shots would be well inside of 100 yards.  Here's a link to an article published on this web magazine a few years back - http://www.namlhunt.com/mlbullets9.html 
     The slight "conical shape" of the 270-grain Saber-Tooth gives it a ballistics edge over a .490" diameter ball...and so does the added .145" of length and added 100 grains of weight. A pure lead .490" ball that weighs 177 grains has a .069 b.c. - while the .501-.502" diameter Saber-Tooth has a b.c. of around .090.

     Now ... getting back to "my thinking".  
     And that is...the Saber-Tooth, particularly the 270-grain is short enough to be stabilized by the 1-in-48 twist of rifles like the Traditions .50 Hawken Woodsman and the T/C Hawken ... and could very well turn these rifles into "honest" 100-yard deer rifles.  I know there are plenty of muzzleloading hunters who will argue that the .50 Hawken rifles loaded with a patched round ball are more than sufficient for taking deer-sized game to and past 100 yards.  But ... Ballistics Data Says Otherwise! 

     I'm now conducting some test shooting to see if there is any merit to this "theory".  I will say at this point that the 270-grain Saber-Tooth is shooting as well as a patched round ball out of the Hawken Woodsman rifle.  Before the end of this month (September 2016), we'll publish our findings on NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING - Toby Bridges  

Have you had any experience with shooting the Saber-Tooth bullets out of a 1-in-48 inches rifling twist bore ... or found another short conical that shoots well out of a rifle with a 1-in-48 twist?  If so, please share in the comment section. 

    Watch For Full Report On Shooting The Saber-Tooth Out Of A 1-In-48 Twist About 9-20-16

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<![CDATA[Loading & Shooting .458" Diameter Bullets]]>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:26:46 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/loading-shooting-458-diameter-bullets
There seems to be a new interest in loading and shooting heavier 350- to 400-grain saboted bullets out of today's modern .50 caliber No. 209 primer ignition in-line rifles.  At least, here at NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING we've been getting more inquiries about which bullet makers offer a heavyweight .451"/.452" diameter bullet that can be loaded with a .50x.45 sabot.  The answer to that one is easy..."Not very many!"   

My search among the major bullet makers found one 325-grain (Swift) .452" diameter bullet that could be loaded with a .50x.45 sabot into a .50 caliber bore.  While almost everyone producing a full line of bullets tends to offer a 300-grain bullet of .451" or .452" diameter, the ONLY bullet of that diameter that exceeds 350-grains that I know of is the 400-grain .451"diameter Hard Cast saboted bullets offered by Harvester Muzzleloading.

However...when you move up .007" in diameter, to .458", the door opens to a much better selection of heavyweights. 
The short 20-inch barreled .54 rifle shown here was at one time my "go in after them" brush rifle, offered by Green Mountain Rifle Barrel Co. a few years back.  This rifle, built on a Knight DISC Extreme action, shot the 400-grain Hard Cast (and the 330-grain version of the same bullet) with exceptional accuracy.  Loaded with 120-grains of Blackhorn 209, this short barrel rifle and bullet is good for 1,803 f.p.s. at the muzzle ... and 2,880 f.p.e.

Anything Inside of 100 yards would be hammered by more than 2,000 foot-pounds of knockdown power! 

That 400-grain .451" diameter non-expanding Hard Cast bullet is shown here, on the right side, with another 400-grain non-expanding bullet - the .458" diameter Barnes flat-nosed Buster bullet. This copper encapsulated lead core bullet measures 1.079" in length, while the Harvester Muzzleloading hardened lead bullet measures exactly 1" in length.  Both stabilize very well in a bore having a 1-in-28 twist.    

The other bullet shown in the photo at the very top of this post is the 400-grain .458" diameter Barnes copper-jacketed Original bullet.  The feature of this spitzer style bullet that really caught my eye is the extremely high ballistic coefficient of the the bullet.  Barnes claims the bullet has a .389 b.c.! 

Now, I did quite a bit of shooting with all three of these 400-grain bullets a couple of years back...using the same black .50x.45 Crush Rib Sabot, from Harvester Muzzleloading, for loading the .451" and .458" diameter bullets into several different .50 caliber in-line rifles.  While the .458" bullets did load noticeably tighter...loading was no where close to being impossible.  Here are links to a couple of the articles  written about loading and shooting these 400-grain bullets.  Note the energy levels produced...

​                  http://www.namlhunt.com/mlbullets12.html

As we head into March, and the weather permits, my goal is to get back out and do more shooting with these bullets, using our Cooper Model 22 ML rifle.  We'll bring the report on that shooting to you shortly after we can spend some time on the range.

Now, have any of you done any shooting with saboted bullets of this weight...or of .458" diameter?  If you have, please use the comment section for this post and share your experience. Also, what are your thoughts on relying on the broad flat nose of the above bullet designs to transfer energy rather than relying on bullet expansion? - Toby Bridges  

<![CDATA[Do You Hunt With A Spire-Point Or Hollow-Point Bullet?]]>Fri, 04 Dec 2015 13:31:04 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/do-you-hunt-with-a-spire-point-or-hollow-point-bullet                                                                    Click On Photos To Enlarge
     Those of you who come to the Harvester Muzzleloading Hunter blog from time to time, or frequent the NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING web site, have very likely noticed that I do heavily favor shooting and hunting with the polymer tipped Scorpion PT Gold spire-pointed bullets.   My reason for shooting those bullets, whether of 300...260...or 240 grains, basically boils down to the variety of terrain and game habitat I hunt every year.  Here in Western Montana "typical" shots with a muzzleloader can very easily range from 25 or 30 yards (when hunting bears in thick, close cover)...to all the way out to the outer limits of a muzzleloading rifle's maximum effective range (when hunting very open range lands).  Or, in my case something of a self imposed maximum shooting range, at which I feel comfortable taking a shot.  For me, that's right at 250 yards.  

     The Harvester Muzzleloading 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold spire-point has pretty much been my No. 1 choice for a hunting bullet.  It is extremely accurate at all ranges, out to my personal 250-yard range limit ... yet delivers a massive wallop on up close and personal shots.  It's pretty much my "do everything" muzzleloader hunting bullet - for shooting game the size of coyotes to as large as elk.
Scorpion funnel-point bullet, left - Scorpion PT Gold spire-point bullet, right.
     Neither I or the good folks at Harvester Muzzleloading try to hide that the spire-pointed Scorpion PT Gold and the hollow-pointed Scorpion (which Harvest Muzzleloading refers to as a "Funnel Point" bullet) ARE the very SAME bullet.  The main difference is simply the installation of the polymer tip into the nose of the Scorpion PT Gold.  Thanks to the better serodynamics added by the tip, it also significantly increases bullet ballistic coefficient at well. 
     As a "hollow-point" the 300-grain Scorpion has a b.c. of around .210.  As a "spire-point" the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold enjoys a b.c. of around .250.  As a hollow-point the 260-grain bullet has a b.c. of around .190, while the addition of the polymer tip pushed the b.c. to around .220.  When it comes to maintaining a flatter trajectory out past 100 yards, and retaining both velocity and energy at longer ranges, that tiny 3 to 4 grain plastic (polymer) tip plays a very important role.
     A couple of springs back, I did quite a bit of shooting with the 260-grain Scorpion and Scorpion PT Gold bullets to get a better feel for just how much bullet drop that polymer spire-point tip actually shaved off.  For that shooting, I went with a Traditions 28-inch barreled StrikerFire rifle - loading with 100 grains of Blackhorn 209.  My findings really did not surprise me.
     At the muzzle of the 28-inch barrel (26 3/4-inch working bore), that charge behind the 260-grain hollow-pointed Scorpion was good for 1,956 f.p.s., with 2,207 f.p.e.  The rifle was sighted to print "dead on" at 100 yards.  Then, to determine a reasonably reliable degree of bullet drop at 200 yards, I used a large piece of clean cardboard at that distance - with my target near the top.  Five shots were fired, holding "dead on" the bull of the target.  Then the highest and lowest bullet impacts were taken out of the equation...and the drop for the remaining three hits averaged.  The 260-grain Scorpion bullet dropped an average of 15.7 inches. At that distance the bullet produced an average velocity of 1,246 f.p.s., retaining 894 foot-pounds of energy.

     Next up was the spire-pointed 260-grain Scorpion PT Gold - which produced an average muzzle velocity of 1,954 f.p.s. (and 2,202 f.p.e.).  Again, firing five shots at the 200-yard target, then eliminating the highest and lowest hits, the remaining three bullet impacts averaged a drop of 11.1 inches.  The plastic tip literally shaved off close to 25% of the drop experienced by the very same bullet...but as a hollow-point.  Just as importantly, the sleeker spire-point 260-grain bullet was still flying at an average of 1,351 f.p.s. at 200 yards...with 1,051 foot-pounds of retained energy.   
                      228-Yard Scorpion PT Gold Buck
     The benefits of the Scorpion PT Gold become even more evident when shooting and hunting with the 300-grain bullet.  The buck shown at left was taken during the 2014 seasons - at 228 yards.

     For this hunt, I was shooting the 30-inch barreled (28 3/4-inch working bore) Traditions VORTEK Ultra Light LDR, with a 110-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 behind the 300-grain .250 b.c. Scorpion PT Gold bullet.  At the muzzle, the load averaged 2,011 f.p.s. - with 2,694 f.p.e.  Drop from 100 to 200 yards averaged 9.4 inches.  At that distance, the load retained 1,454 f.p.s., with 1,407 f.p.e.
     This past spring, I did some shooting at 200 yards with the hollow-pointed 300-grain Scorpion (appx. .210 b.c.), shooting the same charge.  I was getting the bullet out of the VORTEK Ultra Light LDR at 2,009 f.p.s. (with 2,685 f.p.e.).  With the rifle sighted "dead on" at 100 yards, I found my average drop at 200 yards to be right at 14.3 inches. That's almost 5 inches more drop than the same exact bullet with a tiny plastic spire-point tip at the nose.
     The shot on the buck was made using the 225-yard hold-over bar of the 3-9x40mm Hi-Lux TB-ML scope mounted on the rifle.  The position of that hold-over bar of the reticle had been determined by shooting a .250 b.c. spire-pointed bullet at approximately 1,950 f.p.s. (out of a shorter 27-inch barrel). Knowing that the longer barrel and slightly faster velocity would put the .250 b.c. Scorpion PT Gold just a bit higher on the deer ...I had held the hold over bar about 2 inches below center chest.

     As you can see in the photo at right, that 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold pretty much dead centered the chest cavity of the buck...taking out both lungs of the deer. The big bodied whitetail ran less than 60 yards out into an open hay field, and went down.  This is exactly the kind of performance I have experienced with the 300-grain spire-point bullet.  In fact, more deer have dropped on the spot than make a short run at all.    
A 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold through both lungs puts deer down quickly - even at 228 yards!  Note impact trauma.
     If all of your shots at big game are under 150 yards, then there's likely no reason to pay a bit extra for the spire-pointed version of the same bullet.  I have taken close to a dozen deer with the 300-grain Scorpion funnel-point bullet, and it does just as good a job of putting big game on the ground at 150 yards or closer.  However, if there's even the slightest chance you'll be faced with a 200- to 250-yard shot at a big buck standing out in a hay field ... across a valley ... or in an open cornfield, the few cents more you pay for the more aerodynamic Scorpion PT Gold will be money well spent. - Toby Bridges

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<![CDATA[Not All 209 Primers Are Created Equal!]]>Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:17:45 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/not-all-209-primers-are-created-equal
     For most of us, hunting seasons are now just around the corner - and this is also the time of year when many muzzleloading hunters finally decide it's time to try something new.  When that "change" begins taking place, that's when NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING begins to hear from hundreds of hunters who simply aren't getting the performance they anticipated ... or, in their mind, was promised.

     Some of the more significant changes include the switch to a new rifle...a new bullet...or a new powder.  To get that new addition thrown into the mix of everything else already on hand, many muzzleloading shooters don't pay much attention to "little things", like whether or not the No. 209 primer they have been using for several years is compatible with the changes being made, whether that change is to a different rifle, a different sabot and bullet, and especially to a new powder.

     After all, all No. 209 primers are No. 209 primers...right?  Well, maybe they are in configuration and size, but they are not all created equal when it comes to the ignition qualities. 
     One new powder that demands the use of a hot primer is Blackhorn 209, this is especially true when loading the powder into a No. 209 primer ignition in-line rifle dating from 2010 and before - which still has the original breech plug installed.  Many of these plugs were not all that compatible with this powder. Fortuantely, due to the popularity of Blackhorn 209, most rifles now feature redesigned plugs for positive ignition. 
     With fall just around the corner, I have heard from dozens of muzzleloading hunters who have made the switch to Blackhorn 209, and who have been experiencing ignition issues.  The first question I ask is, "What primer are you using?"  Many times, the answer I get back is that they are using one of the special "Muzzleloading" primers.  And that is the problem.

     Winchester's Triple Seven primers, Remington's "Muzzleloading" primers, the Fusion 209 In-Line Muzzleloading primers, and the CCI 209 In-Line MZL primers just don't have the "OOMPH" to spontaneously ignite charges of Blackhorn 209.  In fact, even some of the milder No. 209 shotshell primers often can't get the job done.  
Most in-line muzzleoading rifles sold these days come with a breech plug that is NOW Blackhorn 209 compatible.  Both of the plugs shown in the photo at right are for the same model rifle - the CVA Accura.  The original plug design, with the flat face, is shown on the left side of the photo - the Blackhorn 209 plug is shown on the right side.  That recessed face moves the powder a little closer to the primer, for a hotter flame.  
     My good friend Keith Anderson, who heads ballistics for Blackhorn 209 actually designed this plug for CVA - around the powder.  The new plug design is so efficient that with it installed, some of the so-called "Muzzleloading" No. 209 primers will consistently ignite Blackhorn 209

     This summer, CVA came on board as a sponsor of the NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING website, and we now have two different Accura rifles in our collection of test rifles. When they arrived, both were fitted with the standard plug, and we shot Blackhorn 209 charges out of them without the benefit of the redesigned breech plug - and experienced absolutely no ignition problems.

     Our 100% spontaneous ignition can be credited to the fact that we use only the hotter No.209 primers available for all of our test shooting with Blackhorn 209 - and that would be the Federal 209A and CCI 209M primers.  Both are magnum strength shotshell primers.  These are the primers we have used while test shooting with the Traditions VORTEK rifle models over the past four years. Those rifles have a breech plug that is very similar to CVA's standard flat-faced breech plug, and over the course of the past four years we have easily shot somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,000 rounds out of those rifles, most of them using Blackhorn 209.  Thanks to the hotter Federal 209A and CCI 209M primers, we have never experienced a hang-fire during any of that shooting.   

     For a look at the comparative "strength" or "power" of today's selection of No. 209 primers, go to the following link - http://www.namlhunt.com/mlprimers.html

     If making the switch to Blackhorn 209, and buying a new rifle, make sure the rifle comes with a breech plug that has been designed for best ignition with this advanced powder.  While the powder is a bit more expensive than other black powder substitutes, keep in mind that the "Special" muzzleloader primers generally cost about twice what the hotter shotshell primers will set you back.  If the other black powder substitute you are shooting requires use of a milder "Muzzleloading" primer - the added cost of those primers will more than make up the difference in the price between the two powders. - Toby Bridges

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<![CDATA[A Look At Why I Prefer The 300-Grain Scorpion PT Gold]]>Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:46:24 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/a-look-at-why-i-prefer-the-300-grain-scorpion-pt-gold
     Hardly a week goes by without at least two or three viewers of the NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING website asking, "Why do you lean so heavily in favor of shooting and hunting with Harvester Muzzleloading's saboted 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold?"

     Well, the answer is actually pretty simple.

     Based on all of the shooting I have done with the bullet, and the exemplary performance of that bullet on the game I have taken with it, my opinion of the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold is that it is the best modern muzzleloader hunting bullet on the market today.  Again...this opinion is entirely based on the outstanding accuracy I have gotten with this particular bullet, and the fact that EVERY big game animal I have shot with it since 2007 has not run out of sight before going down. In fact, easily 3/4ths have gone down pretty much where they were standing.
     There is no denying the accuracy of the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold.  Since moving to Montana during the Winter of 2007-2008, I have conducted an annual "Consecutive 50-Shot Test"...putting all 50 shots on the same target.  The target at right is the "group" shot this year (2015), using the Cooper Firearms Model 22ML rifle shown in the photo at the top of this post.  This 1.2" "hole" is the best group shot during the 8 years of this testing.

     The worst 50-shot group fired during this period still kept all 50 shots inside of 1.6" center-to-center.
     All of these tests have been performed with the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold...shooting charges of Blackhorn 209.  For a look at NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING's 2015 "50 Consecutive Shot Test", go to -

     All three of the deer shown in the above two photos were taken last season (2014)...and all were taken at 200-plus yards...each with a single 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold.  The Montana buck and doe in the left photo were each dropped on the spot, shooting a stout 120-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 behind the bullet - out of a .50 caliber Redemption (LHR Sporting Arms).  The Nebraska buck in the right photo, shot at 228 yards with a Traditions .50 VORTEK Ultra Light LDR stuffed with 110-grains of Blackhorn 209, ran maybe 60 yards out into a large alfalfa hay field, then dropped.  The bullets passed completely through all three deer, but not before doing considerable damage to internal organs.

     These two hunts are covered at the following links - 


     The photo above left is of the very first whitetail I ever shot with the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold, taken on a very cold December afternoon at 181 yards.  The deer is also the ONLY deer I have shot twice with the bullet...and really did not have to.  This buck also holds another distinction.  It was the very first whitetail to be taken in the U.S. with the powder that would come to be known as Blackhorn 209.

     I was hunting with a prototype batch of the powder, which had been dubbed "Silver Strike", due to its varying shades of grey coloration.  In late afternoon, this buck came working down a long sandy draw I had been watching, and when it stopped in front of a huge cottonwood tree...I decided to take the shot.  The tree had been checked with a laser rangefinder earlier that afternoon, and was known to be at 188 yards.  The deer looked to be 5 or 6 yards closer.  Using the 200 yard reticle of the Hi-Lux TB-ML scope, I held a little below center of the chest cavity and squeezed off the shot.

     The loud "wallop" of the bullet driving home told me that I had made a good hit.  The buck just humped up and stood in the same spot.  One of the things I was testing the new powder for was ease of reloading in the field.  In less than 20 seconds, I had dumped in a new charge of powder, out of a plastic speed-load tube, and had ramrodded a saboted 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold down onto the charge.  Using a set of home-made cross-sticks for a solid rest, I held for the exact same spot and squeezed off the second shot...and at the "wallop" of that bullet driving home the buck went straight to the ground.  From the downed deer back to my makeshift brush blind on the side of the ridge lasered out to be exactly 181 yards.  (Both hits were within 1-inch of each other.)

     Not all of the deer I've taken with the 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold have been taken at such long ranges.  The buck shown directly above right is a Montana deer that eased out to the edge of a large alfalfa field in the last shooting light of the day, offering a perfectly broadside shot at 140 yards.  The 300-grain bullet drove home squarely through the rib cage, and this deer dropped like a sack of rocks.    
     I've also taken deer with the 260- and 240-grain Scorpion PT Gold bullets - but the 300-grain version of the bullet has remained my favorite.  This is mostly due to its higher .250 to .255 ballistic coefficient.  In contrast, the 260-grain weight of this bullet has a .220 b.c., while the lighter yet 240-grain Scorpion PT Gold has a b.c. of somewhere around .210.

     I had gotten the good folks at Harvester Muzzleloading to put together some of the lighter 240-grain bullets for my wife, who was a bit recoil sensitive.  The big doe she tagged shown at left was the very first deer to be taken with that bullet.  The deer was shot at 90 yards, and dropped on the spot. 
     Of the 57 deer I have personally taken with the Scorpion PT Gold bullets (with 58 shots), 49 of them have been taken with the 300-grain bullet - and none have run out of sight after being hit. As late summer days begin to cool off, especially in the morning,  as always I'll hit the range a lot more to hone my longer range shooting skills in preparation for the coming big game seasons.  As always, I will also do a lot of shooting with a variety of other bullets, especially out of a few newer test rifles we've acquired here at NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING.  Still, I know that when I do head out on my first hunt of 2015, the rifle will be loaded with a 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold.  

     Why would I hunt with anything else? - Toby Bridges, NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING

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<![CDATA[Is It Time To Re-Visit Shooting Saboted .44 Bullets?]]>Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:24:44 GMThttp://namlhuntcom.fatcow.com/hmlhunter-blog/is-it-time-to-re-visit-shooting-saboted-44-bullets
                        Advanced New Powders Produce Plenty Of Speed
     Back in 1985, when I first began loading and shooting saboted bullets, no one actually manufactured a modern rifle with the proper rate of rifling twist for achieving best accuracy with the muzzleloader sabot system.  Rifles with a snappier 1-in-32 twist didn't come on the market until 1987...and the now popular 1-in-28 twist followed about a year later.

     Another "unknown" back in those days was whether the saboted (.44) .429/.430" diameter or the (.45) .451" diameter pistol/handgun bullets would shoot with best accuracy.   That too took a couple of years, and more people shooting them, to determine.  Early on, the vast majority of us discovered the thinner sleeves of the .50x.45 sabots tended to fold out and away from the bullet more quickly, forming an airfoil that got the sabot away from the bullet more quickly, allowing the bullet to fly to the target without any additional influence from the sabot.  On the other hand, the sleeves/petals of a .50x.44 sabot were more prone to continue gripping the bullet for several yards after exiting the muzzle - and did affect bullet flight.   

     In the mid to late 1980's, we did not have "black powder substitutes" capable of getting saboted bullets out of the muzzle at velocities exceeding 1,800 f.p.s.  The above photo shows sabots that were shot at velocities ranging from around 1,700 f.p.s. to more than 2,000 f.p.s. - and the affects that velocity has on the heavy sleeved .50x.44 sabot.  The higher the velocity, the more quickly the sabot opens up and gets away from the bullet...and likewise, the better the accuracy.      
Newer powders like Blackhorn 209 and FFFg Triple Seven could very likely be the key to tapping the downrange performance of a slightly smaller diameter and higher b.c. bullets of .429/.430" diameter.  The added speed of the sabot and bullet could force those sleeves to fold back...catch air...and pull away from the bullet.   
Back in 2012, NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING took a more in-depth look at shooting saboted .44 bullets, and the advantages of doing so - once the lack of speed obstacle could be overcome.  The Two-Part report also took a look at the vast superiority of the smaller diameter .429"-.430" diameter bullets when a sharp polymer-tipped spire-point is added to these bullets.

For more on this topic, go to the following two links...

Part 1 -    http://www.namlhunt.com/mlbullets4.html

Part 2 -   http://www.namlhunt.com/mlbullets5.html

As fast as muzzleloading sprinted ahead during the 1990's and early 2000's, development has slowed considerably during recent years, so don't hold your breathe waiting for bullet makers to immediately begin offering saboted .44 poly-tipped spire-points.  However, if enough of you begin asking...who knows, maybe a bullet maker or two just might listen.  - Toby Bridges